00:00:00: Introduction
00:02:00: When Jodie did PodPlus
00:02:44: Introducing Jodie
00:03:53: Your model of success
00:05:15: Ace playing cards
00:09:50: Jodie’s private success system
00:13:51: Inquiries to create your personal success system
00:23:19: Additional suggestions from Jodie
00:26:54: Coping with failure
00:30:21: Not alienating others
00:32:37: Jodie’s profession recommendation
00:33:18: Remaining ideas
Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen Tupper and that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly present the place we discuss concerning the ins and outs of labor, talk about a few of the subjects which are on individuals’s thoughts and provide you with some instruments, questions and help that will help you really feel a bit extra in charge of your profession growth and a bit extra assured concerning the actions that you simply take. At present, I am not joined by Sarah, my regular co-host, I am really going to be joined by Jodie Cook dinner, who’s a long-time buddy and anyone whose work I’ve adopted and I’ve discovered actually, actually useful. So, I am hoping it’ll do the identical for you too, as a result of the subject we’ll discuss is success; not all the time a simple one, I believe one that may typically appear a bit shiny, a bit alienating. Â
However what I like about Jodie is she makes it actually, actually sensible for individuals to consider, “Nicely what does success imply to me? And the way can I design my growth and handle my profession in a means that implies that I am extra prone to obtain the issues that I need to?” So, you may hear Jodie’s opinions on success; she is going to discuss by way of this concept of ace playing cards that I actually like, fascinated by your super-strengths and the way you carry them to life; after which we’ll get into, how do you design and make use of your personal success system? And it is a means of what you have completed up to now in your profession and utilizing a few of that perception that will help you with what you would possibly need to do sooner or later. So, heaps and many sensible instruments, insights, tales and examples that will help you. I believe we must always simply get began. Jodie, welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, excited to be right here.
Helen Tupper: I really feel prefer it’s been a very long time within the making. Â We have recognized one another for ages and I believe we had been simply looking for the best second so that you can come and share your knowledge with all of our beautiful listeners.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, for positive. Yeah, it needed to be the best second, the best subject. You’ve got been on my imaginative and prescient board since 2022, so it is very enjoyable to be sitting right here speaking to you about these items proper now.
Helen Tupper: , we did PodPlus collectively, which a few of our listeners can have been at and many them will not have, as a result of Jodie was in London, and I used to be like, “Come on to PodPlus”, and we ended up happening a dialogue round success, which our PodPlus group completely beloved. I had so many messages afterwards going, “Jodie’s wonderful, that was actually useful”.  And so, I believe I used to be like, “That is the factor”, we’ll assist individuals discuss virtually about what success means and the way we are able to design our work round success, and listen to a few of your tales alongside the way in which.Â
So, I am acutely aware a number of individuals do not know who you’re, so perhaps in a nutshell, who’s Jodie, what do you do and the place does this, I do not know, this sort of concentrate on success come into it?
Jodie Cook dinner: Oh my goodness, good query, who am I? So, I first entered the world of enterprise at 22 after I began my first enterprise; it was a social media company. I constructed it and offered it ten years later, after which wrote a ebook known as Ten Yr Profession about that have, and through that point made a ton of errors, but additionally created a enterprise that ran with out me that had a group of 20 individuals. Â
And whereas I used to be doing that, I travelled the world, labored from about 30 completely different cities, began competing internationally in powerlifting, after which took a little bit of a profession break, I might name it, the place I ran a number of experiments for 2 years, after which a 12 months in the past began a brand new enterprise. So, there’s a number of completely different classes and milestones in there. However I’m very, I’ll use the phrase ‘obsessed’ with success as a subject. Â
And simply to caveat that, I do not imply success like, I believe it is very subjective, and I believe it is very completely different throughout completely different individuals. Â So, each time I say success, I imply your model of success. Â However certainly one of my favorite issues to do is assist individuals discover their model of success, after which assist them use their superpowers to create it in their very own lives.
Helen Tupper: And so, on that time, “Create your model of success, use your superpowers to make it occur”, does that imply then that for you, it isn’t, you’re or aren’t a profitable individual, so it isn’t like it’s a trait, it’s innate, I’m or I’m not; for you, success and the flexibility to realize the issues that you simply need to is extra of a expertise, like that may be a learnable factor, we are able to be taught to achieve success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Very a lot so, I believe you’ll be able to be taught to achieve success. I believe the very first thing, most likely 80% of it, is defining what success even seems to be like, as a result of it’ll look fully completely different for you than different individuals, after which I believe you’ll be able to work in the direction of it. One massive lesson I really feel like I’ve realized is that I’ll by no means underestimate the depth required to do one thing effectively.  And I believe what occurs is in the event you do underestimate the depth required to do one thing effectively, you see another person doing one thing and also you assume, “Oh, they should have this innate capacity to do it [or] they’re simply gifted [or] it is simply their genetics”, and actually it is simply, no, they simply work freaking arduous to get there.Â
So, I believe it is extra liberating to understand that it’s a factor that you may work on that you may get higher at, as a result of then you do not see different individuals as these superhuman individuals with these abilities and abilities that they had been born with, you see it as like, “No, if they’ll do it, I can do it too, however I can do it with my very own model of success, no matter that’s”.
Helen Tupper: And I suppose I am simply making an attempt to assume, different individuals have gotten benefits that I have never. They have an schooling benefit or they have a complete load of privileges and benefits that it is simpler for that individual to achieve success than it’s for me. What’s your tackle that?
Jodie Cook dinner: I believe this hyperlinks to one thing I take into consideration loads, which is ace playing cards. I believe different individuals make it look straightforward as a result of they’re merely enjoying their ace playing cards. They came upon what they’re and they’re utilizing them.  However in the event you do not discover your personal ace playing cards, you are most likely trapped on this comparability. at school, we had been simply taught in topics, however not everyone seems to be gifted in topics.  So, if somebody occurs to be superb at maths, then that is perhaps an ace card of theirs; however in the event you’re making an attempt to be good at maths and it isn’t certainly one of your ace playing cards, then you are going to be like, “Oh, I am a failure”, otherwise you’re simply going to assume you’ll be able to’t do it, after which you are going to assume another person is basically good at maths and, “I am not, due to this fact I am going to by no means succeed”.  However yours would possibly simply be one thing else.  So then, I really feel like in the event you establish an ace card, you’ll be able to engineer all the pieces you do to make use of that ace card extra.
 As a result of I believe you are comparable, proper, and also you had been simply saying with you and Sarah, you might have completely different ace playing cards, so that you spend your energies in numerous methods and that grows the enterprise collectively.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, and I believe that is really a very attention-grabbing level round group ace playing cards. Â So, I suppose the questions which are in my thoughts are, how does a person establish their ace playing cards? Â Some individuals would possibly comprehend it and a few individuals would possibly want some assist with it.
 After which I am considering, “In case you are people in a group and also you share your ace playing cards –” have you learnt what it makes me take into consideration? these playing cards, that card sport the place you set all of them collectively in like, you set two playing cards in a tower after which you find yourself with an even bigger tower as a result of I am considering they’re all little ace playing cards going collectively?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, yeah.
Helen Tupper: However in principle, if everybody is aware of their ace playing cards and everybody places them collectively, theoretically the group is greater, higher and stronger, until there is a little bit of competing with the ace playing cards happening.
Jodie Cook dinner: I believe it is fascinating in a group sense. So, my operations supervisor, Joanna, we have labored collectively for a really very long time.  We have now fully completely different ace playing cards, virtually the opposite finish of the spectrum ace playing cards. And do you ever bear in mind Mr Muscle; he loves the roles you hate?
Helen Tupper: Sure!
Jodie Cook dinner: That is precisely what it’s, however there may be somebody on the market who loves the roles you hate, and that is as a result of their ace playing cards are completely different to your ace playing cards. However I believe speaking about it along with your group is a very massive factor. I really feel like one other means of discovering your ace playing cards is, take into consideration the insults you have had previously.
Helen Tupper: That is hilarious! Â Okay, maintain going.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, Melissa is a buddy who’s just lately began her personal enterprise, and one of many issues that her outdated office used to say to her, there was somebody in her outdated group who used to name her, “Mel who does probably the most”.  And she or he mentioned it as like, “Oh, why are you doing this? Why are you moving into over and above, you goody two-shoes?” sort factor.  It was sort of an insult.  However when she talked to me about it, I used to be like, “Hell, yeah, Mel who does probably the most?  Yeah, you’re Mel who does probably the most, and that is why you are smashing all of the targets, that is why you are beginning your personal enterprise, that is why you are doing one thing, as a result of that is your factor”, and I had it myself. A buddy of a buddy as soon as known as me ‘intense’ and I used to be like, “No, am I? That is horrible”.  However then I used to be like, “Hell, yeah, I am intense, that is nice!”
So it is like, you consider the insults you have had that different individuals are throwing at you, and primarily they’re throwing these insults at you as a result of they can not deal with your bigness, the house you take up. They can not deal with it, so that they must try to carry you down. However they’re the sources of your ace playing cards, as a result of your depth, your work capability, no matter it’s, it is like that is the factor that makes you you.
Helen Tupper: I bear in mind a really senior individual saying to me earlier on in my profession that I got here throughout as an enthusiastic pet canine.
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure!
Helen Tupper: And it is as a result of I get so enthusiastic about issues. I am like, “Sure, sure, sure, let’s do this, let’s make it occur!” and I can see it. On the time, I believe I most likely spent about 18 months after that making an attempt to tone that down, as a result of I used to be like, “Oh, this clearly is not welcomed. I should be extra critical and this isn’t welcomed”. And on reflection now, I believe that’s really a part of my ace card, like that enthusiasm and power to get issues going is a part of my ace card. However it simply wasn’t proper for that function or that specific context in that firm. And so, I believe perhaps when your ace card, it is also simpler so that you can discover match, proper, since you need to work with individuals and in locations the place you get to play that card?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, it is by no means, “Play it down”, it is by no means, “Tone your self down”, it is all the time, “Be extra you”.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Be extra you”, find it irresistible. The enthusiastic pet canine is launched now onto the world within the type of Squiggly Careers power! So, let’s discuss a course of then.  So, I suppose maybe a part of the method of considering, “How do I create the success that I need for myself in my profession?” a part of it’s probably, know what ace playing cards you have obtained. What follows that then? Perhaps I do know what that’s, how do I design my work, handle my profession in a means that’s extra prone to result in success?
Jodie Cook dinner: I consider that everybody has a private success system. No two success techniques are the identical, however as soon as you discover yours, you’ll be able to apply it to each space of your life and you may obtain something you need. And I see this time and time once more.
Helen Tupper: It is a massive promise, Jodie!
Jodie Cook dinner: It is so there, however I really feel like when you’re tuned into it, you’ll discover it all over the place. So, billionaires have success techniques. Jeff Bezos has successful system as a result of each concept he had or had when he was working Amazon, he would write a press launch about it, ship it to a subsection of his record. If it obtained curiosity, he would construct it and he would not care if he needed to kill it, as a result of that was simply his success system, he stored it going.  And so, that is the system that allowed him to create a number of completely different successes, like Kindle and the merchandise we all know and love, and likewise the failures that we have most likely forgotten about.
Helen Tupper: So, provided that ‘intense’ is perhaps certainly one of your ace playing cards, what’s your success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, so mine’s obtained six very particular phases. So firstly, I’ll set the intention.  So, I simply resolve that I need to do one thing and I make it very clear, like I write it down and I say, “That is what I need to do”. The second factor I’ll do is I’ll converse to individuals who have completed it, and that is so necessary, as a result of how I greatest be taught is by talking to somebody who’s completed the factor and simply speaking to them about how they’ve completed the factor.  After which, I’ll flip these conversations, most likely a number of individuals, flip these a number of conversations right into a plan. For me, what works is splitting down this plan into one thing I can do each single day. So, it is perhaps half-hour a day or 90 minutes a day, however each single day.  And I actually like the concept of stringing good days collectively and never skipping a day. After which after that, I’ll visualise it.  So, I am going to shut my eyes and picture one thing coming true, or that success I’ve obtained in thoughts really taking place.
So, after I offered my company, earlier than I offered my company, I wrote myself a fake cheque, and it was how a lot I needed to promote for, it was the date I needed to promote, it was from the proper purchaser, and it was what was it for. And it was like, I felt in my physique it coming true. I sort of imagined the individual I might be who acquired the information that we had now offered.  After which my step six is, simply persist. So, much like the pet that you simply talked about earlier, it is that pet mentality of simply maintain going.  And if I look again, I first assume I did this after I offered my company.  However then after I realised that was my success system, I utilized it to writing a ebook and getting a mainstream writer. However then, just about all the pieces I’ve completed, it is adopted that precise course of. So now, I really feel like all the pieces sooner or later is sort of easy as a result of it is like, “Oh, I simply have to observe these six steps and now I can do something”, which supplies you this new sense of confidence that you may simply conquer the world.
Helen Tupper: So, you’ll be able to retrospectively look again on the successes that you have had and use that to decode your success system, after which you’ll be able to proactively apply that to issues that you simply need to do sooner or later in order that your actions usually tend to result in success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Precisely. Have a look at what you have achieved previously, the issues that meant probably the most to you, the issues that you’re actually fairly pleased with, after which dig into the place had been you while you had that information, what did you do, what had been the actions you took, who had been the folks that had been round you? You would possibly discover that your success, each success you have ever had, would possibly all the time contain one place or one individual or one state of affairs or one mind-set or working. There will likely be patterns, and in the event you discover the patterns, you’ll be able to put that down right into a five- or six-step course of. After which, yeah, precisely that, you’ll be able to apply it going ahead and it’ll work.
Helen Tupper: So, I ponder in the event you can ask me some questions that may assist me to establish my success system; and that these questions, different individuals can apply to their previous experiences? So, I am placing you on the spot, however you ask me questions that can assist me dwell create my success system. After which I’ll sort these questions up, I’ll put them within the PodSheet so that individuals, after they’ve listened right this moment, they’ll undergo these questions they usually can have a look at Jodie’s success system and apply it to their very own expertise. So, it is placing us each on the spot, as a result of I’ll must share brazenly —
Jodie Cook dinner: Let’s go!
Helen Tupper: — and you are going to must ask the questions.  However you are good, what did you say, like, going dwell? Jodie’s nice when she goes dwell. So, that is Jodie going dwell. All proper, assist me.
Jodie Cook dinner: Let’s take a look at that!
Helen Tupper: What’s my success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: So, with out considering an excessive amount of, inform me concerning the factor that you have completed that you simply’re most pleased with in your profession?
Helen Tupper: I’m most pleased with only one factor. There’s a great deal of issues, however I am actually pleased with making the transfer from a company profession to working my very own enterprise, as a result of that was, I type of needed to go away my id behind as a company individual, and that was like a reputational threat.  There was additionally monetary threat, and I wasn’t introduced up in an atmosphere the place individuals did that, .  My household labored for corporations and that is what they did, they did not run companies. So, the making that leap of doing one thing fairly troublesome and turning it into what it is turn into, I am actually pleased with.
Jodie Cook dinner: What was the catalyst for that change?
Helen Tupper: It was trying right into a future that did not really feel very interesting, however on the floor seemed actually wonderful. Â However I used to be like, “Oh, really, if I keep right here, that is what this can appear like, and it ought to really feel wonderful, nevertheless it simply would not”, and feeling like, “I’ve extra potential to present, and I need the liberty to have the ability to do this”.
Jodie Cook dinner: Was there something that occurred that provoked the motion? So, if that was the catalyst that created the thought, what was the transfer that created the motion?
Helen Tupper: Two issues: a ebook deal from Penguin, and realising that truly I wanted to make some decisions, as a result of this was a brand new factor, and if I needed to do it, I wanted to make decisions; and my kids had been at an age the place my work was having an impression on spending time with them, which it all the time would. I wasn’t anti that, however what I needed to really feel was that it was value it; the time spent on my work was value it, provided that was time that I wasn’t going to be spending with my kids. These two issues, I believe, had been fairly pivotal.
Jodie Cook dinner: Firstly, do you know that it will probably be successful from the beginning? And in the event you did, what gave you the inkling that it will?
Helen Tupper: No, I didn’t know it will be successful. I assumed I must do another issues on the similar time so as to have the ability to do the factor that I beloved and afford to do it. So, no, I didn’t know. I did not begin going, “That is going to achieve success”. I began going, “That is one thing I need to do, and if I do not do it now, then what else am I ready for?”
Jodie Cook dinner: And who did you discuss to about probably making the transfer?
Helen Tupper: I talked to buddies who all had been like, “That makes full sense”. I talked to my supervisor who mentioned, “Fascinating, however can we discuss how that is going to occur? Do not go but”. And I talked to my husband who was additionally like, “Fascinating, we have got a mortgage to pay”! So, there have been varied ranges of problem in speaking it.
Jodie Cook dinner: After which, while you had determined that you simply had been going to do it, how did that play out in your actions?
Helen Tupper: As soon as I would determined, a previous sample of my behaviour is, as soon as I’ve determined, I am laser centered on making it occur. So, I believe as soon as I’ve obtained over, “Ought to I, should not I, there is a little bit of threat right here, chat to a couple individuals”, I made a decision I used to be going to do it after which nothing, no different noise is round that call. I am very like, “I do know what I am doing, I do know what date I’ll do it, this can occur”, from that time.
Jodie Cook dinner: How shortly did you’re taking motion?
Helen Tupper: Actually shortly. I believe I had these conversations all inside per week of one another. As soon as it is in my head, I’ve obtained to get it out. So, I had all these conversations inside per week of one another, then I handed my discover in. I had a protracted discover interval, however within the background I used to be constructing it up in order that on the day that I formally left, it was already transferring, it was already momentum with it.
Jodie Cook dinner: After which, what was the primary milestone or stage the place you had been reassured that you simply’d make the best selection?
Helen Tupper: It is an ideal query! Day two of working full-time alone. Day one, I sat there being like, “There’s nothing in my diary. What do I do? I’ve had years of issues being in my diary. There’s nothing in my diary”. After which day two, we had a dialog with anyone who labored for a really giant organisation. We ended up pitching, successful, and working profession growth coaching for everyone in that organisation over an 18-month interval. And that was a day-two dialog.
Jodie Cook dinner: Did that flip right into a programme that you simply delivered repeatedly?
Helen Tupper: Sure. Yeah, completely.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, if we go proper again to the beginning, I really feel like there’s extra at first. So, we have got, “As a result of the youngsters had been on the proper age”; we have got, “Due to the Penguin ebook deal”; was there something — was it the Penguin ebook deal? Yeah?
Helen Tupper: Nicely, I used to be additionally provided a chance internally that was a type of perfect-on-paper sort of place. And I assumed, “If that is not what you need, what would you like?” There have been these three issues. There was like, “You are being given this wonderful alternative right here and one thing’s not fairly clicking; you have to prioritise since you’ve now obtained one other factor in your plate; and also you need to take into consideration what are you speaking to your kids concerning the work that you simply’re doing”. It was these three issues that got here collectively that was a little bit of a tipping level in my decision-making.
Jodie Cook dinner: Good. I like that there is a component of legacy in there, fascinated by that from the start. So, within the theme of You Coach You, is there something that you have mentioned that is made you assume, “Oh, yeah, that may be a key level”, and probably that is one thing that you have completed elsewhere as effectively in one thing else that you have achieved, perhaps within the best-selling ebook factor or perhaps the wonderful podcast factor; are you able to see any patterns from you speaking it by way of?
Helen Tupper: That when I’ve decided there, I am going after it in a really pushed and decided means. I would hover a bit bit, I would seek the advice of a bit bit across the choice, however as soon as I’ve gone by way of that issue and decided, drive follows it, a number of drive follows it.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, I believe there’s a system right here. Do you’re feeling like there is a system?
Helen Tupper: Yeah, I believe issue, choice, and drive equals success to me. So, there’s some type of like, “Oh, it is a difficult factor, it would not really feel fairly proper, I am undecided that is how I need it”. There’s like this troublesome second, after which I’m good at then making a call, “That is what I’ll do”. After which, as soon as that call has been made, mainly a complete load of drive, power. the ace-card factor you talked about earlier, I believe that’s the place that then goes into full, I do not know, full power goes into that, pet canine is launched at that second and makes that factor occur.Â
So, I ponder, alone reflections, I ponder if the educational for me is definitely, these moments of issue, when it isn’t fairly clicking, different individuals would possibly really feel a bit disillusioned or disillusioned or demotivated by that, however I suppose recognising the success system, as you have type of obtained me to, makes me assume, “Oh, no, for me, really these moments of issue are what in the end allows me to get to success, as a result of I do know it is troublesome, I decide after which drive follows it after which I get to the result”, is probably the place I am attending to within the dialog.
Jodie Cook dinner: I believe the beginning of it is actually highly effective, particularly if it does begin with issue or adversity of some variety, as a result of that is highly effective as a result of something that comes up sooner or later, if to recognise that as, “Oh, one thing good goes to occur now”, then you’ll be able to’t be swayed, you’ll be able to’t be thrown off monitor, since you’ll simply see an issue and you will be like, “Proper, I’ll make some strikes now”. Has that proven up anyplace else?
Helen Tupper: What, issue driving success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure.
Helen Tupper: Oh, yeah, completely. We had issues with the acquisition of our second ebook that then led to, “Okay, that is what we’ll do”.  After which, all of my power went into making that call occur and attending to a very good final result. I believe issue creates one thing for me to unravel typically, and that is most likely the opposite factor that I am good at, is fixing stuff shortly. And so, perhaps it is a bit of a type of magnet for my success, is when stuff feels arduous or it is going improper. It simply provides me an opportunity to play the ace playing cards.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, and that is why it is so private, as a result of not everybody does thrive from that. Â Some individuals would not begin off a complete profitable system from adversity or issue. Â So, we have got that occuring, then we have got you mainly rolling with an concept, setting a deadline, having quick execution and with the ability to activate pet mode and simply go.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, activate pet mode! It’s actually attention-grabbing what’s coming from our chat, , that entire level of observe the insults and mirror on the energy that you’ve inside that, relatively than enjoying it small; mirror in your experiences and the patterns of your success; after which type of put these issues collectively, like you discuss superpowers, put the strengths, put the patterns collectively, after which see what that system seems to be like for you, and understanding that everybody’s system is completely different. I believe it is a actually highly effective, reflective course of.Â
You are clearly super-skilled at it, in listening to me and asking me questions. Is it so simple as taking a few of these questions and folks simply asking them of themselves? Have you ever obtained another suggestions for serving to individuals to assume by way of their success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: Undoubtedly asking your self these questions, positively journalling. I believe additionally, taking the strain off discovering it right away. I believe you are not going to simply provide you with it, after which abruptly it is going to make sense and you are going to have the ability to apply it to all the pieces and apply it to all the pieces going ahead. It is virtually recognising that the very first thing you set ahead is a principle and also you’re simply seeing if the idea is correct with no strain for it to be.Â
However I believe writing down a draft to start out with is unquestionably the primary half. Present different individuals, different individuals who have shared in your success, perhaps it was an organization success that somebody in your group was concerned in, present them and say, “That is I believe the system that I adopted to make this occur, are there any elements I am lacking?” as a result of that is so massive.  We underplay, when one thing feels straightforward to you, so that you underplay the issue of it, however actually another person will likely be like, “No, that was actually troublesome and also you smashed that, that is positively part of your success system”. So, having the back-and-forth dialogue I believe is basically helpful as effectively. Identical with ace playing cards.  I believe if somebody’s considering, “Oh, what are my ace playing cards?” ask different individuals. Ask three buddies. We did this train in a coaching a few weeks in the past, the place I wrote a message that somebody may ship to 3 individuals to say, “Hey, I am on a coaching proper now.Â
I have been tasked to provide you with my ace playing cards. Are you able to consider abilities that I’ve that I am probably not utilizing or not maximising?” And your true buddies will let you know, your true buddies who need you to be the very best model of you, will say, “Oh, yeah, you are actually good at this and I do not assume you make sufficient of it”, and you then’re like, “Cool, perhaps that is my ace card”. So, each of these issues; discuss to individuals.
Helen Tupper: There is a good construct on, we do an train after we’re doing strengths typically the place we get individuals to message in WhatsApp, as a result of it is typically the quickest means of doing it, however like, “What strengths am I utilizing while you see me at my greatest?” However I just like the one that you’ve there which is, “What do you assume I am good at that I am not utilizing as a lot as I may?” I wonder if it will result in barely completely different solutions to present folks that permission to share that with you.
Jodie Cook dinner: And particularly in the event you’ve obtained a very good relationship with somebody and you may sort of name them out on issues, as a result of a buddy, he was in my coaching after which he despatched me the message about what his ace playing cards are, after which I instructed him what I assumed they had been.  After which he mentioned, “How do you assume I am not utilizing them, or how do you assume I am lacking out one thing?”Â
And I mentioned, “You are expert in any respect this stuff, and it will lend themselves rather well to having an excellent on-line presence. Do you assume your on-line presence is reflective of your ace playing cards?” And he is like, “No, as a result of if I am handsome, if I am good on digital camera, if I am good at articulating, if I’ve obtained a very good offline community, then yeah, perhaps I ought to be doing that”. And so, you are simply planting the seeds in individuals’s heads that they might probably cook dinner up a special cake with their elements.
Helen Tupper: I need to come again to one thing you mentioned about Jeff Bezos, which I do not understand how typically you get requested that query. However you mentioned, he sort of put his concepts out and mainly noticed what took off, and a few of these we now know as services and a few of them we do not, as a result of they had been failures that in a short time get forgotten. And so, I simply need to discuss failure for a second. I am a bit acutely aware about speaking about failure, as a result of I noticed this actually humorous LinkedIn submit within the week from a girl known as Amy who mainly mentioned, “Will individuals cease speaking about how failure results in success, as a result of it is actually tacky and it is actually annoying and failure typically feels actually arduous”. However I need to get your ideas on, “Does having successful system imply that we all the time succeed? And if failure remains to be a actuality, how can we take care of it when it occurs?”
Jodie Cook dinner: I simply do not assume that resilient individuals ever assume they’ve failed. I simply do not assume that is how they see it. I really feel like that is one thing that the media perhaps glamourises. So that you would possibly say, “Oh, this actor, they failed, or this pop star, they failed, or this politician, they failed”, and we would say, “Oh, that was a giant failure”.  However they’d most likely say one thing completely different.  Like, in the event you mentioned to any given disgraced politician, “Was {that a} massive failure?” they’d be like, “Oh, I simply mentioned a number of issues I should not, however really I did not need that job anyway and now I’ve obtained a significantly better life and I am doing this and I am consulting and I am doing…”  They would not even say, “Oh, sure, I failed”.  It is simply most likely a label that different individuals use greater than you employ, and I believe enterprise leaders, it is the identical.  Until somebody died, they will most likely all the time say, “It was for the very best”, as a result of that is of their nature. They’re optimistic, they’ll transfer previous one thing, they are often resourceful. There is a phrase that I take into consideration rather a lot that is, “Pessimists get confirmed proper, however optimists get wealthy”!
Helen Tupper: Why does that assertion, that imply one thing to you?
Jodie Cook dinner: As a result of in the event you’re like, “Oh, okay, yeah, I failed, I am a failure, that actually dangerous factor occurred”, then yeah, you’re. However in the event you simply assume, “This factor occurred and I can transfer previous it and I can simply be taught from it, and truly it’s for the very best, as a result of now one thing higher can come alongside and it is freed up the house for one thing higher to come back alongside”, you then’re extra of an optimist and that is only a higher place to be for everybody.
Helen Tupper: It is like that that assertion, “Whether or not you assume you’ll be able to otherwise you assume you’ll be able to’t, you are most likely proper”. It all the time makes me take into consideration how I method initiatives from the outset. Are you approaching it with a think-you-can or a think-you-can’t mindset, as a result of that can inform what follows?
Jodie Cook dinner: Perhaps the query simply, “Says who?” So, “Oh, it is a failure”, “Says who? Nicely, I am not calling it a failure, so are you calling it a failure?” It simply would not matter, solely you’ll be able to resolve. And in the event you say, “It isn’t a failure, it was really the very best factor that might have ever occurred”, then it isn’t and it is okay.
Helen Tupper: So, do not over-identify with the phrase mainly, what does failure actually imply for anybody anyway?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, however then additionally it is simply made me consider another person’s success system, and that is Sarah Blakely, the Spanx founder.  And from childhood, she would sit across the kitchen desk and her dad would say to her, “Did you fail right this moment?  Inform me the way you failed right this moment?”  And so, he reframed failure as a very good factor, as a result of he was like, “Nicely, if you are going to make requests, you are going to get rejected, in order that is perhaps seen as a failure, however I need you to maneuver in the direction of these”. And so, that led to her arising along with her invention, knocking on door after door of all of the suppliers and ultimately getting the provider that might change her complete profession and make her a billionaire as effectively. So, there’s simply so many alternative methods of it.
Helen Tupper: One final query round, how do I keep my concentrate on success in a means that does not alienate individuals which may not have the identical concentrate on it?
Jodie Cook dinner: I believe the fact is you most likely will alienate individuals, as a result of if somebody would not have a stage of ambition for his or her life as you might have for yours, you then most likely are ultimately going to float aside, and perhaps that is okay. I believe in the event you have a look at the other of that, the primary state of affairs is you turn into the very best model of you, you outline your model of success, you progress in the direction of it, you help different individuals in their very own variations of success, since you’re so pleased with yours that you may admire you are not competing with anybody, you are in your path, they’re on theirs, you help them.Â
The other of that’s that you simply dumb your self down, make your self small, take up much less house, be much less pet canine or use your ace playing cards much less or use your success system much less with a purpose to, what, not really feel lonely, have extra in frequent? I believe that might be a horrible existence. I believe you’ll really feel extra lonely since you’d really feel such as you had been a smaller model of you. I believe you’d have remorse and I believe that it will find yourself not being superb. So, I believe the other of that’s one of the best ways ahead.
Helen Tupper: So, do not make your self smaller with a purpose to make different individuals really feel higher; outline your success system and simply go after it?
Jodie Cook dinner: I believe so.  I simply assume it isn’t about you.  If somebody cannot deal with you in your greatest model, it isn’t you, you do not have to vary something, they must. All the things’s a mirror.  They’re seeing one thing that they can not see in themselves, so that they really feel threatened.  So, they really feel like they need to, I do not know, lash out, be indignant, put you down, try to take you off your excessive horse or wherever they really feel like you’re, nevertheless it’s positively not your downside to take care of.
Helen Tupper: I like that, and I believe that is a very nice finish for individuals, as a result of I hear loads from individuals who, they’ve ambitions they usually have power, however they really feel like they must typically conceal or modify that, as a result of they don’t seem to be essentially in an atmosphere the place that’s inspired. And so, I believe it is a good, it is a beautiful, it is a very sensible course of that individuals can undergo, however I believe it is a beautiful message to finish with. However I need to ask you, I did say that was the final query, I lied; yet another query. Your greatest piece of profession recommendation, Jodie, for our listeners, which could transcend success, it is completely as much as you, however just a bit final little bit of knowledge to share with our listeners.
Jodie Cook dinner: Cease asking for permission. Everybody else is making it up and meaning that you may too. You do not want anybody else’s approval to do something, you do not want anybody else to allow you to in. There’s loads of sources, individuals, platforms, all the pieces on the market so that you can construct your personal home as a substitute of knocking on doorways on a regular basis.  And anybody can do it, they simply want to start out.
Helen Tupper: Wonderful. So, the place can individuals go to for some extra inspiration from Jodie after this dialog?
Jodie Cook dinner: Nicely, I weblog loads from jodiecook.com, after which I am very energetic on LinkedIn. So, in the event you search me there and say, “Hey!” I might love to listen to from anybody who’s listened to this, who has ideas.  Undoubtedly inform me your success system in the event you’ve provide you with it, and if you wish to run it by me, I might like to see that.  I dwell and breathe these items; it is super-interesting.
Helen Tupper: And Jodie, I noticed on LinkedIn, you simply handed a giant follower milestone as effectively. Â You had been reintroducing your self to your 1000’s and 1000’s of followers.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, yeah, that was enjoyable to do. Â Yeah, I imply I’ve put LinkedIn as one thing I am very centered on proper now. Â I am following my very own success system with constructing it up, and it is working nevertheless it’s enjoyable, as a result of it means I get to satisfy all these wonderful individuals from all all over the world. Â And particularly while you recover from the preliminary hurdle of exhibiting up on-line and being like, “Oh my goodness, who does she assume she is?” to it being a really enjoyable place to hang around, and also you sort of take pleasure in exhibiting up there, that is when that it is working.
Helen Tupper: Yeah. So, what I’ll do is I am going to put all of the questions that Jodie shared with me.  I am going to put them in a stream on the PodSheet in order that if you wish to mirror on these for your self and generate your personal success system, you’ll do this.  After which, yeah, share it with me, share it with Jodie on LinkedIn as a result of we might like to see it as effectively, and perhaps we’ll create a number of examples of success techniques that we are able to share with individuals to encourage them past this episode. However Jodie, thanks very, very a lot for sharing all of your insights with us right this moment, I’ve beloved chatting with you, as ever.
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure, thanks a lot.
Helen Tupper: Thanks a lot for listening to right this moment’s podcast with me and Jodie Cook dinner. We’re again subsequent week with one other episode with Sarah. In the event you discovered this convenient, please get in contact with us both by electronic mail, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com, or on LinkedIn, and that is all for now. Bye everybody.
