00:00:00: Introduction
00:01:38: Pivot fatigue
00:02:58: Pivots and growth
00:03:55: A five-part course of…
00:04:32: … 1: plot your potentialities
00:08:40: … 2: spot your pivot individuals
00:12:41: … 3: create some pivot tasks
00:17:34: … 4: apply and ask
00:23:15: … 5: take satisfaction in your pivot
00:27:15: Remaining ideas
Sarah Ellis: Hello, I am Sarah.
Helen Tupper: And I am Helen.
Sarah Ellis: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast. Each week, we discuss a special subject to do with work, and share some concepts and a few actions that we hope will assist all of us simply navigate this Squiggly Careers that all of us discover ourselves in with that bit extra confidence and management.
Helen Tupper: And at the moment, we’ll be speaking about plan your pivot. And this can be a subject that we now have talked about earlier than, however it was means again in August 2018, the place pre-pandemic, I really feel like pivots had been thought of, however maybe not pressured upon many people.
And really, while you look into the info on pivots, heaps extra individuals are actually and open to pivots, which I would say really is an indication of Squiggly Profession success, that persons are really ready now to think about and discuss doing one thing completely different than they’ve all the time executed. I believe that is nice we’re having these conversations. However once we talked about it earlier than, the context of that episode was Sarah and I had been sharing a few of our profession pivots. I used to be nonetheless at Microsoft then, once we had been speaking about it.
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I used to be the Managing Director for a artistic company with a one-year-old. I do not bear in mind loving 2018, if I am trustworthy! I do not understand how a lot I would wish to return and hearken to that episode.
Helen Tupper: Nicely, listeners, do you have to want to, please do, however we cannot. However yeah, that was the context on the time. So, we had been sharing a few of our personal experiences and speaking about a few of the issues while you’re possibly excited about a pivot. Right this moment goes to be fairly much more sensible, I’d say. We have got a course of in an effort to type of stroll by way of it step-by-step should you’re considering, “Really, I want to make a pivot. This does positively really feel like one thing that I wish to do, I simply do not fairly know do it”.
Sarah Ellis: And so, as Helen stated, we aren’t actually going to speak concerning the emotions and the feelings that go along with pivoting, that are very actual and at instances might be very laborious. I believe pivoting, you’ll be able to kind of get pivot fatigue. I used to be studying some analysis earlier than at the moment about individuals speaking about, they have been attempting to make a pivot occur and it feels prefer it’s stalled or obtained caught, or maybe it feels prefer it stopped after which it began a bit so it is felt a bit advert hoc. And I do assume these are all of the realities of constructing a pivot occur.
I believe it by no means occurs in a single day, I believe typically you nudge your means into pivoting. I believe pivoting, our start line due to the phrase, all the time feels actually dramatic, like we’ll have this in a single day change of profession, whereas I do assume the fact is we’re more likely to type of make a collection of mini pivots to get to the place we’re going, slightly than simply go from zero to hero, I suppose. So, that’s type of the context. We all know that there are moments the place you may attempt a few of the issues that we’ll discuss at the moment and they won’t work, otherwise you may really feel such as you’re not that a lot additional ahead. However what we expect is that should you preserve going again to those steps to this course of, it can assist to information you in the suitable path.
Helen Tupper: And pivots are useful on your growth as a result of they preserve you studying. So while you’re pivoting, you are most likely going to should discover ways to work with completely different individuals, or develop completely different abilities, or get your head round a brand new context, so it is fairly a forcing operate actually for studying. It additionally lets you create extra alternatives. So, we regularly discuss one of many issues with ladder-like careers is you are typically in ‘wait’ mode, ready for the following promotion, ready for somebody to provide the subsequent challenge to work on; whereas in Squiggly Careers, we actually wish to be in ‘create’ mode, as a result of that offers us extra possession over our alternatives and means we’re much less depending on anyone specific place.
And pivots are positively a means that you just create extra potentialities, since you’re getting very interested by your profession and also you’re actually excited about, “The place can my abilities take me?” way over, “The place do my titles take me?” They’re positively value trying into as a risk on your development. What we’ll do is discuss by way of a five-part course of that will help you to try this. So, I am going to simply summarise it after which we’ll undergo every a part of the method in flip and simply discuss it by way of and clarify what it appears like. And we’ll summarise all of it on the PodSheet, which you’ll both get from the present notes or from our web site on the podcast web page. However the 5 elements of the method are: (1) plot your pivot potentialities; (2) spot your pivot individuals; (3) create pivot tasks; (4) apply and ask; and (5) take satisfaction in your pivot.
Sarah Ellis: So, the primary half is about plotting your potentialities. That is most likely the half that I’d all the time get pleasure from probably the most, and I believe I’ve all the time loved probably the most once I’ve been excited about desirous to do one thing completely different, as a result of that is once we actually wish to be in ‘exploring’ mode, in producing, excited about concepts. We do not wish to constrain ourselves too quickly. I all the time assume the fact for many issues kicks in fairly quickly, so let’s be assured that that may occur. However for now, as you are first getting began, I do assume right here you are contemplating the artwork of the potential, the place you may go and what you may do. And I believe that has to begin with you.
So, what do you wish to be recognized for? What are the transferrable abilities that you just wish to take with you? What are these issues that actually offer you power? So, once I was reflecting on this for myself, I believe my most constant factor that I’ve needed to be recognized for, that is been in each pivot risk that I’ve ever explored, has all the time been round concepts. So, concepts is all the time my start line for any pivot risk. So long as I’ve obtained the power to create and to have concepts, I am , I am intrigued, it is a good place for me to begin. Then, I believe it’s a must to join the dots between what you wish to be recognized for and who wants what you wish to be recognized for.
So, I all the time consider this as provide and demand. So, it is okay me saying that I wish to be recognized for concepts and it is what provides me power, however is that what individuals want? Are there roles the place they discuss being artistic or having concepts or innovating or doing issues for the primary time? If I can not actually see these tasks or these positions, possibly in the intervening time it isn’t a talent that’s in demand or possibly it is being talked about in a barely completely different means. That is the place, if I wasn’t positive about provide and demand, I’d do the scanning train that we typically discuss once we discuss profession potentialities, which once more I all the time get pleasure from as a result of I fairly like suspending actuality I believe for a bit, and simply plenty of completely different job specs on LinkedIn and use these as a little bit of a filter for what are individuals on the lookout for. So, if I used to be completely different potentialities, I may begin to see, are individuals utilizing the phrases ‘thought’; are they utilizing ‘create new alternatives’, ‘alternative’ would most likely be fairly one for me to search for. And you may simply begin to see, “Okay, properly I do know what I want to do, I do know what individuals want, how can I put myself able to get near these issues?”
And I believe at this level, you’re aiming for most likely 4 to 6 completely different pivot potentialities. Possibly a few of these are fairly near what you are doing at the moment, possibly a few of them really feel additional away, some is likely to be in your organisation, some is likely to be exterior, is likely to be in your business, is likely to be exterior your business. So I all the time assume, try to have enjoyable with this. However I do assume typically persons are on this stage of simply going, “I do not know what I do not know”, and I believe this can make it easier to to only get some readability on, “Okay, properly it may seem like this, or possibly I may take into account this chance”, and it provides you one thing to work with. You may change all of it midway by way of the method, however no less than you’ve got obtained a place to begin.
Helen Tupper: And I believe, you realize you stated 4 to 6? I believe that is an vital level to make about pivots, as a result of typically you are within the function that you just’re in at the moment and you’ll see a pivot that you just wish to make, and you then’re simply going, “Nicely, I am in A and I would like B, that pivot”, and I nonetheless assume that is problematic since you’ve obtained actually fixated on one model of the longer term, and so you are not essentially exploring round that chance. Whereas ideally, should you’ve obtained multiple pivot, there’s multiple factor that you are able to do or transfer into, then you are able to do extra exploring and create extra alternatives. So, simply as we might say with ladders, “Do not repair your self to a singular promotion”, I believe do not repair your self to a single pivot, as a result of you then’re turning into very depending on that pivot being potential.
So, having multiple is a extremely good factor. So, the second a part of the method is to identify your pivot individuals. So, you go from Sarah’s train, which will get you to possibly 4 to 6 completely different pivot potentialities; now, we wish to take into consideration some pivot individuals. Pivot individuals have gotten some type of connection to that profession risk, possibly as a result of they’re doing or have executed the job that you just’d love to do, or possibly they work within the space that you just wish to, or possibly they know any individual who could possibly be helpful to you.
So, if I take into consideration an instance pivot risk, if I used to be to consider, “What do I wish to be recognized for?” So, power positively, profession growth; they’re two issues I actually care about. So, if I take into consideration a pivot risk for me, I lately spoke at Oxford College, which felt very massive and grand, to their about 200 MBA college students in the beginning of their MBA programme. And it did make me assume, Sarah and I’ve talked earlier than about being some visiting professor in universities sharing squiggly abilities with college students, which I believe is interesting to us.
So I believe for me, there’s most likely some type of pivot risk, which is the place I am spending a part of my time supporting college students with Squiggly Careers indirectly, form or type; there is a pivot risk there. So, what I’d take into consideration, with that being one in every of my pivot potentialities, is possibly who already delivers some type of profession help to a scholar context, college or sixth type or at school, no matter that appears like; I would take into consideration who works in academia, would not essentially do what I want to do, however works in that space and will give me some perception; or, simply any individual who’s in my community at the moment that is likely to be linked into that space that I may have a dialog with. So, these pivot individuals principally get you nearer to that risk. All you are going to do is get in contact with them and have a curious dialog. So, this is not, “Are you able to make my pivot potential?” So, it isn’t that at this stage. That is, “Can I be taught extra about this space I am curious about, since you’re nearer to it than I’m?” That is all that is, and also you’re simply gathering data. However it is extremely seemingly, as we’ll come on to, that individuals would be the unlocker of your pivot, as a result of instantly making use of is not all the time that simple while you’ve not executed the job earlier than. So, it’s useful to have these relationships. However actually at this stage, we’re simply unlocking studying, gaining extra perception.
Sarah Ellis: Someone did this really to me lately, the place they work at an organization that we work with, and so they stated they’ve all the time felt like possibly they want to work in studying and profession growth, however they weren’t positive. And I am a fan of the voice notice.
Helen Tupper: Sure, you’re! I really like your voice notes now; I’ve grown to like them!
Sarah Ellis: You have grown to like them!
Helen Tupper: I’ve. I believe I’ve simply been phrase down! I bear in mind originally, I used to be like, “When am I alleged to hearken to this?” Now, I like them. I listened to yours at the moment, it was very good. You are strolling alongside and chatting and I used to be like, “Oh, that is good!”
Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do not know what it says about me. I fairly benefit from the one-way-ness of them, I believe!
Helen Tupper: I do know, I do know that!
Sarah Ellis: However I did say to this individual, as a result of I really could not find time for the dialog that they needed to have instantly, however I did say, “Should you depart me a voice notice together with your questions, then I am going to reply them”, as a result of then I can do it at a bizarre, random time that works for me and we do not have to coordinate diaries, and all that type of stuff. And so, I believe I admired that that individual was courageous sufficient to get in contact with me and principally ask to try this. And regardless that I did not fairly most likely say sure in an excellent means for them, they’ll nonetheless find yourself getting their questions answered and so they nonetheless may have made a connection. And in addition, I am going to bear in mind them, as a result of we have gone forwards and backwards a number of instances on voice notes, and hopefully then I would meet any individual who I am going to assume, “Oh, it’s going to be helpful for them to talk to that individual”, after which instantly you’ve got created that chain of connections that we have talked about earlier than. So, quantity three is creating some pivot tasks.
So, I believe the toughest factor about pivoting is that you’re going to do one thing that you’ve got not executed earlier than, and that all the time feels laborious. And infrequently, it’s nonetheless sadly simpler to recruit any individual who appears the identical because the individual earlier than. We hope that is altering. A part of our mission round Squiggly Careers is to alter that so that individuals look first for issues like, “Nicely, are individuals nice at studying, and are they good at being a newbie; are they nice at managing uncertainty and alter?” These issues most likely really feel extra vital than whether or not you’ve got executed a precise job earlier than. However it’s laborious and we all know that is laborious. So, your abilities are going to want to do the speaking for you. So, I believe something that you are able to do to place into apply the skills that you just wish to take with you earlier than you pivot, the higher ready you may be and the extra seemingly you may be to succeed, while you get into the making use of stage. This may seem like tasks, this may seem like volunteering, this could possibly be aspect tasks, ardour tasks, hobbies, something that you are able to do, I believe, to get some further expertise the place you are not attempting to cover the truth that you have not executed one thing earlier than.
I all the time assume you are higher to speak about it, however what you’re displaying is numerous initiative and being actually proactive. And I am positive we have stated it earlier than, however I do not assume that is as typical or as widespread as everyone listening may assume, as a result of should you’re listening to a profession growth podcast, you most likely have numerous initiative. So, you are most likely considering, “Nicely, certainly everyone does this”, however I do not assume individuals do. And so, I believe should you can create these alternatives for your self, they’re small alternatives to pivot that you just’re very a lot answerable for. You are being resourceful round looking for alternatives to get expertise of your pivot earlier than you get there. It is only a sensible factor to do and you will find out extra concerning the pivots that you just’re excited about; you may make new connections, again to what Helen was speaking about when it comes to getting the suitable individuals round you; and it will not assure that you will then positively get these roles, however it offers you heaps extra to speak about. It would present that you just’re actually severe and also you by no means know, it’d open up a special alternative alongside the way in which as properly.
Helen Tupper: Had an excellent electronic mail from somebody final week who was comparatively early on of their profession, and had gone into a task that they realised they principally did not get pleasure from. And so they stated, “So, I’ve gone out and I’ve obtained a mentor in an space that I am curious about so I can be taught extra from them. And I’ve gone and I have been investing on this talent as a result of I believe that is an space I am curious about. And I volunteered to work on this challenge”, and executed principally all of the stuff that we’re saying right here, actually put themselves on the market. And so they messaged me and stated, “However I really feel like I am doing all of it fallacious and I do not know if that is the suitable factor to do”. And most of my electronic mail again was like, “Please realise how optimistic and proactive that you’re being. You’re doing precisely the suitable factor. You have realised the factor that you just wish to do is not supplying you with power, you are exploring and connecting and creating alternatives; it can most likely take a little bit of time, however you’re doing it with 100% the suitable method”. And I felt like this individual simply wanted somewhat little bit of like —
Sarah Ellis: I suppose, reassurance.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, which I gave and I assumed, I am very completely satisfied to present that to somebody and she or he positively, positively deserved that reassurance, however I am like, “Someone else needs to be reassuring you. I would like you to be getting reassurance from greater than us!”
Sarah Ellis: Have you learnt what, that is additionally not the primary time that I’ve heard that, and I do wonder if typically it is as a result of the payoff for taking these actions is not all the time instant. And so you’re like, on paper you are doing all the proper issues, and you then most likely do get to a degree the place you are like, “Nicely, I have been doing this now for 3 months. Why has it not resulted in one thing, why am I not seeing the end result?” And I believe that then begins to really feel actually laborious, proper, since you’re like, “Nicely, I’m attempting actually laborious and I’m taking my initiative”, and that is the place I believe it’s a must to be decided.
And in addition, hopefully, a few of these issues that you’re doing which can be possibly exterior of your function or that you just’re placing your hand up for, hopefully a few of these issues you’re having fun with. I believe in the event that they’re issues that you just wish to get nearer to, in the event that they’re supplying you with power and also you’re having fun with them, in the event that they’ve not paid off but, that is most likely okay. Should you’re feeling such as you’re having to drive them then they’re maybe not the suitable issues. That might be the opposite query simply to consider.
Helen Tupper: And I believe that hyperlinks to the fourth a part of this course of, which is about making use of. So, up till this level, you’ve got explored your potentialities, you’ve got had some conversations with pivot individuals, you’ve got proactively created some pivot tasks. There’s a level at which we’ll apply for the pivot place that we wish to do. And this stage actually is about ‘apply’, but additionally ensuring that you just ‘ask’ for perception and for suggestions. And the explanation that is vital is, pivots require persistence. You won’t get the primary function that you just apply for, as a result of possibly you have not obtained the connection with that one who may decide on that pivot, or possibly you have not fairly obtained the suitable expertise but.
So, I believe simply bear that in thoughts. That is the place believing in your self and having confidence within the transfer and doing a few of these pivot tasks so you’ve got obtained power is de facto, actually vital. And while you’re making use of, if you do not get the challenge or the place that you just’re attempting to pivot into, search for the training right here, as a result of it’d really feel actually irritating and also you may really feel a bit disillusioned and even demotivated about, “Oh, am I doing the suitable factor?” Actually, actually search for the training. The educational comes within the suggestions. So, as an instance I am making use of for a task with Sarah, and I pivot into the job at Wonderful If. Sarah thinks it isn’t fairly the suitable transfer for me to make in the intervening time. I may go away from that and simply really feel unhappy, or I may search for the training, which might be me saying to Sarah, “It is positively one thing I would curious about. Subsequent time I’ve a dialog about this, is there something that you just noticed in me that you just assume it could be helpful for me to know, in order that I can put myself in a extremely optimistic place sooner or later?” Ask for suggestions, ask for perception, even ask for connections, you realize, “I would wish to be taught extra about this. Is there anybody that you might join me to so I can get nearer to it?” Search for the training, create the alternatives, however simply bear in mind that making use of does require a little bit of persistence while you’re making pivots.
Sarah Ellis: And even worse than this, I do hear, to be trustworthy, increasingly examples of the place individuals apply and get nothing, so get ghosted primarily. So, you get no suggestions, you get, “No, you were not profitable”, you are clearly then not getting an interview. I do assume there’s additionally some extent the place if you’re making use of, lets say you’re getting interviews, however you are not profitable, you may sooner or later go, “Nicely, I am going to give myself a time restrict”. I all the time assume closing dates are useful. So, “Over this 12 months [or] over the following six months, I’ll apply and be actually formidable and actually go for my pivot all-out the place I would ideally wish to go”. If after six months you are not getting any interviews, or you’re getting interviews however you are by no means being supplied the function, you then do want to regulate, you do have to adapt and maybe assume in another way.
You may wish to assume, “Nicely, what’s a better pivot? What’s a midway pivot?” I bear in mind considering once I was in Sainsbury’s, “Oh, I would actually wish to go and work in [surprise, surprise] studying and growth”. And it was actually removed from the place I used to be; I used to be working in advertising. And really, the extra I explored it, I positively would have preferred to have gone and executed it, however I simply felt prefer it wasn’t going to occur. I may sense, I used to be like, “Oh, I am unsure they’re up for any individual coming from such a special space. Additionally, the individuals in these roles are most likely not likely going wherever”. I wasn’t essentially making use of, however I would been fairly persistent, having plenty of the conversations, plenty of the issues that we had been speaking about, getting concerned in some tasks. So, I would executed a few of these steps that we have described.
After which I assumed, “Have you learnt what, it is most likely not likely going to occur”. And so, I did then begin to adapt and alter and assume, “Okay, properly the place else and what else?” And it doesn’t suggest it’s a must to hand over on that factor you wish to pivot in the direction of, as a result of clearly I did not, however I did take into consideration doing it another way. So, you’ll be able to pivot exterior for a bit, it would not all the time should be your day job, you are able to do a a lot smaller pivot. What you do not wish to do is get to the purpose the place you both really feel burnt out or simply really feel actually down about your capabilities or what you have to supply, as a result of should you’re doing all these items, you’ll be nice. The opposite high tip I’d have really, should you’re excited about pivoting, search for individuals who have gotten a monitor report of recruiting pivoting individuals, as a result of I believe these persons are already open to people who find themselves squiggling.
And clearly, everyone needs to be open to squiggling, however we have not obtained to everyone but. We are going to do, we’ll; that is our lifetime mission. Our legacy will likely be to get to everyone to persuade them about Squiggly Careers!
Helen Tupper: Nicely, living proof, I used to be with TikTok at the moment, launching TikTok’s Profession Week and speaking about Squiggly Careers, and I had a panel of six completely different individuals from TikTok who had been speaking about their profession. And so they had been tremendous, super-pivot-y. They’d executed so many various issues in several markets and completely different industries. And so clearly you are like, “Oh, that could be a model which values individuals’s abilities over their titles”. Most of these individuals hadn’t made a title-based transfer. And I believe asking individuals, “Do individuals pivot in your organization?” or simply speaking to individuals about their Squiggly Profession tales and listening to, that is all I did at the moment, and also you’re listening to and you are going, “Oh, they’re fascinating strikes that individuals have made”. I believe an organization that prioritises the fascinating strikes individuals have made and helps them to maneuver into extra fascinating strikes, that are not all the time logical and linear, is a little bit of a sign that they will be extra open to any individual who needs to pivot. So, yeah, I positively assume search for pivot recruiters, search for corporations the place there are Squiggly Profession tales in them; they’re all the time signal that they is likely to be extra open to those sorts of strikes.
Sarah Ellis: And the final one, so quantity 5, is about taking satisfaction in your pivot. And this actually hyperlinks to the Squiggly Profession tales that Helen simply talked about. We see, time and time once more, that when individuals share their tales, it reveals everyone else what might be and what they’ll do, and it simply feels actually inspiring, and on the similar time, life like and related. You make one thing that feels laborious to do, way more accessible by sharing your Squiggly Profession story. So, if in case you have pivoted, please be sure you discuss to individuals about it, what labored for you, what did not work, what helped you, what felt actually laborious. And that does not should be on one thing like LinkedIn, although in fact it may be, or TikTok, if you would like it to be, however it could possibly be simply in your workforce or in your organization. And I believe everyone has a pivot story of their Squiggly Profession someplace alongside the way in which.
And you might even do as a workforce train, “What is the pivot you’ve got made in your Squiggly Profession to this point that maybe may shock individuals, or what did you be taught from it?” as a result of actually early on in your profession, everybody all the time does a spread of jobs. So, sooner or later you’ll have, I do not know, pivoted from doing all of your newspaper spherical to being an aerobics teacher, should you’re me. That might be one in every of my funnier pivots up to now! Unsure there was a great deal of transferrable expertise. Possibly speaking to individuals somewhat bit, operating away from scary canines once I was posting newspapers and stuff, staying match. However I believe getting individuals to only share their tales actually sticks. And I believe by no means underestimate how a lot we reply to tales. And it is also actually good so that you can be pleased with them, but additionally it is how one can have a ripple impact on different individuals too.
Helen Tupper: I additionally assume, if you wish to make extra pivots sooner or later, it is helpful for individuals to virtually see your pivotability.
Sarah Ellis: You are actually attempting to make {that a} phrase, aren’t you?!
Helen Tupper: Yeah, I am completely making this a phrase!
Sarah Ellis: You had been like, “I wish to make it a phrase”!
Helen Tupper: “What’s your pivotability?”
Sarah Ellis: And also you wrote on the high of this, I am going to say script, in inverted commas, you had been like, “I actually like ‘pivotability'”. So, I used to be like, “I am simply not going to touch upon that”!
Helen Tupper: So, my level although on pivotability is that if I, I imply I do not actually do that in the intervening time, however I’ve made fairly a number of pivots. So, if I talked concerning the pivots I had made, like business pivots and issues like that, it could give a way of confidence in my pivotability, the truth that you might transfer me to completely different positions and I am fairly good at choosing up a brand new place or choosing up a brand new business.
So virtually, I believe if you wish to do multiple pivot in your profession, should you assume, “This can be a great way for me to develop”, I believe having some confidence in telling your Squiggly Profession pivot story, “These are pivots I’ve made, that is what I realized from it”, all that type of stuff, helps different individuals to really feel assured in unlocking future pivots so that you can do. Since you’ve proven that you just’re tried and examined like, “That is one thing that I do properly, and due to this fact it is a simple factor for me to do to pivot into a brand new place, as a result of I’ve obtained expertise of doing it successfully earlier than”. That is what I imply by pivotability!
Sarah Ellis: We’ll see. Lets see whether or not it catches on or not?!
Helen Tupper: I do not know, what is the signal that the time period ‘pivotability’ catches on? Okay, right here we go, let’s have a look at. Should you assume pivotability is, let’s give it, is {that a} helpful time period or a ineffective time period, electronic mail us! You might have by no means emailed us earlier than. You possibly can actually simply say, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com, and within the topic line, “Pivotability equals ‘helpful’ or ‘ineffective'”. After which, I am going to additionally publish about it on LinkedIn and I am going to see whether or not it sticks; you by no means know!
Sarah Ellis: It appears like a kind of, I imply we won’t discuss as a result of we’re writing a ebook in the intervening time, however like so many enterprise books really feel like they should be one phrase. “Pivotability”, our books are very a lot —
Helen Tupper: “The pivot impact”!
Sarah Ellis: Yeah! There most likely is; there’s most likely a ebook referred to as that. However we hope that has been helpful for you. We all know pivoting is tough, it takes perseverance and persistence. So, good luck if you’re going by way of this course of in the intervening time.
And if there’s one thing we have missed, if in case you have pivoted efficiently and also you assume, “Oh, really, it might be actually useful if the Squiggly Profession listeners knew about… and Sarah and Helen did not point out it”, get in contact with us, tell us, message us on LinkedIn, as a result of we will all the time embody it as a part of the assets that we share, whether or not that is on issues just like the PodNote or the PodSheet. We put all of these issues collectively so that you’ve every part in a single place, but additionally to try to make our concepts and the actions simple so that you can share with different individuals too.
Helen Tupper: And we additionally put another advisable assets. So, I believe an professional on this space is Jenny Blake, who’s written a ebook referred to as Pivot, in order that’s positively a advisable learn, or a hear should you’d slightly hearken to books. However that’s every part from us this week, and so we’ll be again with you very quickly, everyone. Bye for now.
Sarah Ellis: Bye everybody!
